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CRD Joe
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I think the thing Id like to see most as an offered upgrade would be a European 6 speed
manual conversion.

'05 CRD
Suncoast, Transco, Inmotion, Provent, ORM Snorkle, HID's, 2.5" Cat back no muffler, V6 Airbox, Fumoto, Cat 2 filter
brew1

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CRD Joe wrote:I think the thing Id like to see most as an offered upgrade would be a European 6 speed
manual conversion.


I sprout wood just thinking about that upgrade.

"Can't drive 65"

05 CRD Limited, RC1, 3rd DC TC, F37
57,000 miles on a 7/70 DC warranty as of 8-20-09
CRD Joe
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brew1 wrote:
CRD Joe wrote:I think the thing Id like to see most as an offered upgrade would be a European 6 speed
manual conversion.


I sprout wood just thinking about that upgrade.


Ya, me three! Manuals RULE!

'05 CRD
Suncoast, Transco, Inmotion, Provent, ORM Snorkle, HID's, 2.5" Cat back no muffler, V6 Airbox, Fumoto, Cat 2 filter
WXman
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This would be a FANTASTIC mod to the U.S. CRD. No more TC issues, better MPGs, cheaper maintenance, etc. etc.

'05 Liberty CRD Limited
Factory Off-Road Package
Daystar spacer lift/Conduit washers
Skyjacker H7088s in the rear
Renegade wheels
255/70-16 General Grabber AT2s
GDE HOT Tune
EHM
No clutch fan
"Euro" TC
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Please! This would make me keep the jeep forever, or until something else comes along similar. I really don't like autos, but really like diesels. It would be perfection, the only thing is how much do I want to pay to do this? a new jetta 6 speed is almost $30k and has the dpf crap, with 70k miles on the CRD is going to be difficult to pay more than 5k on her for this. When the auto goes it may be time for a jetta. I would be willing to hunt down used parts to do it for less. Just my two cents. I really hope a solution for this comes along

-Brian

2006 CRD limited original owner
WXman
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Pedals, console, etc. from a gas 6-speed KJ, and a manual tranny from a 4.7L Ram 1500 truck should do the trick, right?? The only major issue would be building a crossmember for the tranny, new driveshaft, and what to do with the signal that the CRD looks for from the TCM.

'05 Liberty CRD Limited
Factory Off-Road Package
Daystar spacer lift/Conduit washers
Skyjacker H7088s in the rear
Renegade wheels
255/70-16 General Grabber AT2s
GDE HOT Tune
EHM
No clutch fan
"Euro" TC
GreenDieselEngineering
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Joined: 10/07/2009 07:25:47
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Location: Southeast Michigan
Don't forget a prototype adapter plate to allow the engine to mate with the manual tranny and a solid flywheel is necessary with the diesel bolt pattern that mates to the pressure plate for the tranny chosen. Since these need to be machined, the cost will increase substantially. We are already working on a manual KJ tune for the Australian market, so the software side should not be a stumbling block. Unless most of the parts come from a wrecked vehicle, it would be difficult to develop a swap kit for under $5000. However, the capability and bragging rights of a manual diesel Jeep in the US might be worth it.
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TDIwyse

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What is the bolt pattern on the VM? Back in 06 I used this companies adapter for part of my YJ Cummins conversion:

http://www.phxgrp.com/transmission.htm


2006 Liberty Limited CRD
2004 Ram Quad Cab 4x4 Cummins
2001 VW Jetta TDI
1990 YJ with 2006 Cummins B3.3T
butcher_block

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so you are telling me that if i could order the euro parts or OZ for that matter (clutch flywheel and adapterplate ) and have them shipped in that it still would not work
i know i would also need the 6 speed ECU right

they woudl be stock parts over there jsut have to have a "friend" ship them stateside
GreenDieselEngineering
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butcher_block,

We could reflash your ECU to allow it to function with the 6-speed. The hard part will be getting all the mechanical hardware stateside at a reasonable cost.
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butcher_block

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then i have ot wander how i ll get the dash stuff worked out (the swap will be in a dakota pickup)
might be able to get some parts for the export only 2.5 VM that was made
most gauges woudl be fine but the stuff to deal with the plug temp an ready to start lights might be tricky
GreenDieselEngineering
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The Dakota would make for a great diesel application. The engine controller could be designed as a stand alone unit, but it would need a vehicle speed input and a clutch pedal input for safety. Most of the other sensors could be adapted to function on a Dakota, but the instrument cluster would need a detailed review. Glow plugs could also be standa alone and the light is not necessary if you just wait a couple seconds during the winter months prior to cranking.

The Dakota with the VM diesel was sold in South America was back around 1999-2001 timeframe, but this was with the old tech indirect injection diesel and did not have much get up an go. Most all the auxilliary parts/hardware on that application would not work with the newer style engine.
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brew1

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GreenDieselEngineering wrote:Don't forget a prototype adapter plate to allow the engine to mate with the manual tranny and a solid flywheel is necessary with the diesel bolt pattern that mates to the pressure plate for the tranny chosen. Since these need to be machined, the cost will increase substantially. We are already working on a manual KJ tune for the Australian market, so the software side should not be a stumbling block. Unless most of the parts come from a wrecked vehicle, it would be difficult to develop a swap kit for under $5000. However, the capability and bragging rights of a manual diesel Jeep in the US might be worth it.


Seems this may be an excellent opportunity for GDE to put together a kit and parts list for those individuals interested in pursuing an upgrade to a 5 or 6 speed manual transmission. Would the clutch be able to comfortably handle the increased torque with the Turbo Kit?

I'd rather drop the $ for a manual upgrade than spending it on the Euro TC/Transmission Tune/Shift Kit only to still have questionable performance/overheating/longevity issues.

Perhaps building a kit in batches of 10, similar to how you offer the turbo kit, would help defray the custom machining costs? I'd feel a little more comfortable knowing that engineers have put together the appropriate kit with a parts list/instructions for performing the upgrade.

Depending on the price, I'd even drop my CRD off to be the first test mule for a manual swap. It's not my daily driver, so I could afford to be without it for a while.

Regards,

Mark

"Can't drive 65"

05 CRD Limited, RC1, 3rd DC TC, F37
57,000 miles on a 7/70 DC warranty as of 8-20-09
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GreenDieselEngineering wrote:The Dakota would make for a great diesel application. The engine controller could be designed as a stand alone unit, but it would need a vehicle speed input and a clutch pedal input for safety. Most of the other sensors could be adapted to function on a Dakota, but the instrument cluster would need a detailed review. Glow plugs could also be standa alone and the light is not necessary if you just wait a couple seconds during the winter months prior to cranking.

The Dakota with the VM diesel was sold in South America was back around 1999-2001 timeframe, but this was with the old tech indirect injection diesel and did not have much get up an go. Most all the auxilliary parts/hardware on that application would not work with the newer style engine.


that R5 dak is what made me go and see what kind of work it would take
give me 180hp and 340ft lb and a 5/6 speed and 22/28 mpg and i ll be set


i am most worried about the wiring and lights /gauges i have found a 04 dak that i think will make a great swap would the glow plug light be maybe used off the R5 or liberty
do you think that the 04 dak and the 05/06 crd will have semi close wireing im ont sure what dash programming the dak uses
 
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